Ever wonder how someone goes from studying human viruses to leading cybersecurity teams? In this Humans of Talos, we’re joined by Martin Lee, EMEA Lead, to talk about his journey into the industry. Martin takes us back to the early days of the internet, explaining how he made the leap from academia to the front lines of threat research. He also gives us a fascinating look at his current work, where he’s applying a sociological lens to cybersecurity to better understand what makes certain organizations more resilient than others.

Whether you’re just starting your career in security or looking for a fresh perspective, you won't want to miss Martin’s advice on staying visible, being curious, and "flavoring your life with many spices."

Amy Ciminnisi: Martin, welcome! Can you describe what you do here at Talos for people who might not know you?

Martin Lee: My job is really ambassadorial. I still research the threat landscape, although I spend less time doing that now. Certainly understanding what are the changes that are happening in the threat landscape. But mostly my job is to externalize that — both to write about the threat landscape, but also discuss what we're seeing, what's important, and what's different with our customers and partners.

AC: I had no idea that you started your career in researching the genetics of human viruses. That’s one hell of a career change. Can you tell us about how you ended up where you are today?

ML: Yeah, "I discovered the internet," is basically the short answer. I discovered the internet very, very early on and just thought this is going to be the biggest invention in my life. I thought if I didn't jump there and then because I could see it was going to explode and go everywhere, and if I didn't jump then, I wouldn't be able to keep up with it. So, I left behind a career in academia to jump on board in the early internet and start building it and building websites.

AC: I actually wrote about this in my most recent newsletter — I'm one of the younger members of Talos, so I was born well after all of this started. It is so fascinating to me to hear about people who were out of college when the internet really started booming.

ML: Yeah, it was growing massively through the mid to late 90s, which was awesome. And then there was the .com crash, which was pretty rubbish. So, I found myself with a young family and less work than I wanted. This job came up, writing spam filters. This was before spam filters and certainly before spam was a big problem. So I thought, "Okay, that sounds fun, let's do that." And then we started detecting all of these weird and wonderful attacks. What we didn't know is we were detecting the first APT attacks. In trying to work out what was happening and what we were seeing, that kind of launched the career. So here we are over 23 years later, and cybersecurity has just grown massively. But it was entirely by accident that I ended up here.

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